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Classification of things. Thing are either Impercieveable (angles & spirits etc)/Percievable. Percievable thing are either nonliving (Dust & Stones etc)/living. Living thing are either Insenceable( Plants)/senceable. Senceable thing are either Nonintelectuals( animals)/intelectuals (Humans). Intelectuals are either ignorent/knowledgeable. Knowledgeable are either injustified/justified.  

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 Yes, there is an opposite for every axiom.

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Who decides which is which? Who makes these divisions? And where do these things come from, are you saying that they were put here at one time, and have remained unchanged?


I disagree, and say that all your classifications are arbitrary, biased and false.


I would, however, love to hear your reasoning.

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Quite clear living is living. It is not me who makes the divissions. Divissions are already there & nothing remains unchange. Yes  theere  is posibility that what I percieve nonliving is actually living. r

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Marylou2882 says ...



 Yes, there is an opposite for every axiom.


Iqbal say


Things are understood by their opposites. If we remove oppsites, meaning is lost e.g. If we reject night then the day will loose its meaning & if we reject hate  then love will loose its meaning.  


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Who decides which is which? Who makes these divisions? And where do these things come from, are you saying that they were put here at one time, and have remained unchanged?


I disagree, and say that all your classifications are arbitrary, biased and false.


I would, however, love to hear your reasoning.



humanity grows in the lap of animality & spiriyuality grows inthe lap of humanity.

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Marylou2882 says ...



 Yes, there is an opposite for every axiom.



Every thing has two opposite pole and normalcy lies in between.

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Dr_Iqbal_Nazar says ...


Every thing has two opposite pole ( one being posative & other negative )and normalcy lies ion between.


Marylou2882 says ...


Normalcy is used chiefly to denote a normal, healthy state of affairs politically and economically.  For example:  After the war, the country slowly returned to normalcy.  


So I ask, how would positive and negative fit this schema?

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If we look at comune. Comunism on one end and western capitalism on other. Western cpitalism has broken the basic unit of comune, the family, stressing a lot on individual right & comunism totally denies individual right. now peace & war. Peace being posative & war negative. Being ready for war but not entering in to it is normal. what is the diference normalcy & normality ? 

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If we look at comune. Comunism on one end and western capitalism on other. Western cpitalism has broken the basic unit of comune, the family, stressing a lot on individual right & comunism totally denies individual right. now peace & war. Peace being posative & war negative. Being ready for war but not entering in to it is normal. what is the diference normalcy & normality ? 


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Normality is commonly used to denote a normal physical or mental state.  For example, Psychotherapy might help restore him to normality.  Whereas, as I mentioned earlier, normalcy is used chiefly to denote a normal healthy state of affairs politically and economically.


The latter use of normalcy was coined by U.S. President Warren Harding.  The newspapers reacted violently, because normalcy was a "barbarism" for normality.  It goes back to the 1850's.


The first recorded use of normality was by the poet, Edgar Allen Poe, in 1848.


What do you mean by "comune"?  Do you mean "commune," a group of people living together and sharing possessions and responsibilities.• a communal settlement in a communist country.


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Palmqvist says ...



Who decides which is which? Who makes these divisions? And where do these things come from, are you saying that they were put here at one time, and have remained unchanged?


I disagree, and say that all your classifications are arbitrary, biased and false.


I would, however, love to hear your reasoning.



What appears false to you & what resoning you want to hear. you are wellcome to disagree & it is good that you give me a chance to explain myself.

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Dr_Iqbal_Nazar says ...



If we look at comune. Comunism on one end and western capitalism on other. Western cpitalism has broken the basic unit of comune, the family, stressing a lot on individual right & comunism totally denies individual right. now peace & war. Peace being posative & war negative. Being ready for war but not entering in to it is normal. what is the diference normalcy & normality ? 


marylou says:


Normality is commonly used to denote a normal physical or mental state.  For example, Psychotherapy might help restore him to normality.  Whereas, as I mentioned earlier, normalcy is used chiefly to denote a normal healthy state of affairs politically and economically.


The latter use of normalcy was coined by U.S. President Warren Harding.  The newspapers reacted violently, because normalcy was a "barbarism" for normality.  It goes back to the 1850's.


The first recorded use of normality was by the poet, Edgar Allen Poe, in 1848.


What do you mean by "comune"?  Do you mean "commune," a group of people living together and sharing possessions and responsibilities.• a communal settlement in a communist country.



                          


Dr_Iqbal_Nazar says 


Wow  very informative. I mean commune. Pardon me, english is not my language. 

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Dr_Iqbal_Nazar says ...



 Yes, there is an opposite for every axiom.



Every thing has two opposite pole ( one being posative & other negative )and normalcy lies ion between.


Marylou2882 says ...


My thoughts are that there are two opposite poles and neutral lies in between.  Such as, warriors participate in war (i.e. pro-war, positive), pacifists are conscientious objectors (i.e., anti-war, negative) and neutrals are noninterfering (e.g., Ireland was a neutral nation in World War II).


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The idealogy of weakness is that if someone slaps one on the face One should ask to for one more slap yhat is one axtreme. the other extreme is "Might is right". what would be neutral in this case. 

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We are draggedfrom the topic. I think I am left alone. Hay is there any one arroud.

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The idealogy of weakness is that if someone slaps one on the face One should ask to for one more slap yhat is one axtreme. the other extreme is "Might is right". what would be neutral in this case. 


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Gee, you have me stumped on this one.  Perhaps, you can explain, Might is Right.  Would that be positive?


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Now here is where both extremes are Negative. So I was wrong saying that every thing has two extremes one being posative & other negative. So proved it is worng & thanks for putting me right.  


 Might is right is like, might being right, justifies,brave, honest & all good qualities. On the other hand weakness is being wrong, unjustified , coward & so on. this mean to give another slap on the face of coward and let him die. No no no. Rather we should support weak-ones & make em powerful. thus remaining between the lines. I hope I rightly explaining things.      

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 Thanks for the explanation.

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I am surprised, people like German Nitzshay, they belive the idealogy of "Might being right"

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Becoming spiritually strong is practiced all over the world and among all the tpes of people.

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 "The ability to do something does not make it right. We are capable of many actions that most contend are unacceptable–rape, abuse, murder, etc. If we have any claim to "superiority," it comes from our ability to act according to moral principles, guided by justice, fairness, and compassion. But we deny our moral ability when we selfishly harm others."  Therefore, Might Is Not Always Right.

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More over ,might is right sounds like law of the jungle.

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 "The ability to do something does not make it right. We are capable of many actions that most contend are unacceptable–rape, abuse, murder, etc. If we have any claim to "superiority," it comes from our ability to act according to moral principles, guided by justice, fairness, and compassion. But we deny our moral ability when we selfishly harm others."  Therefore, Might Is Not Always Right.



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             I think Iqbal say because I am saying.


Morality & action. we are responsible for our action not of thinking / immaginations. Besides morality our actions are dirrected by intetelligence/ pleasure obtaining/knowledge/ Faith. Preyers (spelling) & morality are two main factors that increase our spiritual strenght. 

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 I'm quoting from something I read:


The first approach, “might makes right”, emphasizes the importance of authority for creating liberal peace, especially the role played by a democratic hegemon and liberal major powers. The second approach, “right makes might”, traces the evolution of the systemic democratic peace to shifts in morality and liberal norms, drawing from work by Rawls (1999) and Wendt (1999). We compare and contrast these two broad theoretical tales, argue that both “might” and “right” are important, and conclude with some thoughts for future development of systemic democratic peace theory.

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If we look from other angle. Let peace be one extreme and war being the other. 100% staying at one extreme of peace, will bring no peace.So now getting prepaired for war ( attaining might ) but not entering in to the war (the other extreme) can bring peace. how far might making right contrbute to evolution, of  Democratic system, for peace. The only problem remaining on my side is Democrazy.   

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 The "majority rule" is often described as a characteristic feature of democracy, but without responsible government it is possible for the rights of a minority to be abused by the "tyranny of the majority". An essential process in representative democracies are competitive elections, that are fair both substantively and procedurally. Furthermore, freedom of political expressionfreedom of speech and freedom of the press are essential so that citizens are informed and able to vote in their personal interests.


If we have fear of the majority, then, we must look to our faith to overcome the atrocities that are imposed upon us and peacefully fight for what is right.   Right is Might.

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Might may bring right. and Right can be observed in two forms/ meanings 1. right meaning not being wrong . this is the form when we talk about Might is right. 2. Right in the form of e.g. human right. ( I am having difficulty explaining this form e.g. I have right to live) . I think this is the form when we talk of Democacy.


1. Majority are fools (exuse me ), illitrate, ignorant. A pure fact. Can we afford to alow them to run Government.


 2. For each and every type of job a qualified person is required. Presidential job does not require any qualification. this is irretional again

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Body can be in six  states


                                  Either body is




                                                             Dead                      or                    alive




                                                             asleep                   or                    awake




                                                             ill                             or                     healthy 




               Similarly soul can be in six states




                                                             illitracy ( soul is Dead)               Knowledge ( Soul is alive)




                                                             Ignorence ( Soul is asleep )    Awareness ( Soul is Awake )




                                                             Dout ( illness of the Soul )        Certainity ( Health of Soul )   { Imam Ali (AS )}

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Farsi poetry


                     Nothing like words & education, in the office of mystic


                     only a white pure heart. Like snow.

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Dr_Iqbal_Nazar says ...



Marylou2882 says ...



 Yes, there is an opposite for every axiom.



Every thing has two opposite pole and normalcy lies in between.



I have two questions for you:


1.  Why do you view everything as having only one dimension?


2.  Is normalcy always the highest good?


Dr_Iqbal_Nazar says... 


1. Majority are fools (exuse me ), illitrate, ignorant. A pure fact. Can we afford to alow them to run Government. 

Ignorant, maybe.  Illiterate, no.  The facts would disagree.  www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/fields/2103.html


Dr_Iqbal_Nazar says... 


2. For each and every type of job a qualified person is required. Presidential job does not require any qualification. this is irretional again 

The qualification is that the people of the democracy agree that he can lead the country.


 


 

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